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Post by Houston Rockets on Jul 28, 2009 17:57:53 GMT -5
Toronto Trades
Chris Bosh (88) $15,779,912 $17,149,243 Hedo Turkoglu (80) $9,000,000 $9,720,000 $10,497,000 $11,337,408 12,244,400 2011 1st Round Pick
Total Salaries: $24,779,912
Cleveland Trades
LeBron James (98) - $15,779,912 $17,149,243 Ben Wallace (76) - $10,000,000
Total Salaries: $25,779,912[/b]
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 28, 2009 17:59:13 GMT -5
im telling u houston, clev won.
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Post by Houston Rockets on Jul 28, 2009 18:00:46 GMT -5
Detroit and I got in an argument about this in the chat room, this isn't even close...infact if I had voted on it I might have vetoed. I don't care if you think Lebron sucks in the game, he is still better than Bosh hands down. In real life Bosh couldn't even get the Raptors to the playoffs IN THE EAST, and don't tell me it can't be done because Wade did it. Lebron is the BEST player in the NBA hands down (bar none including Kobe.) Take the other part of it, Hedo vs. Big Ben. At his best rating in NBA Live, Big Ben was like an 84. The game still thinks he is good, and plus he expires. Hedo has a pretty nasty contract for his age, which won't help a rebuilding Toronto at all. The 2011 1st hardly makes up for this, I think Toronto won huge...what say you?
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Jul 28, 2009 18:03:51 GMT -5
Cleveland didn't do bad, but I like it for Toronto more.
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Post by Sacramento Kings on Jul 28, 2009 18:19:02 GMT -5
IMO Its a good deal for both but Cleveland won it a little bit...Big Ben is shit, he is only a nice expiring...but SHIT Hedo might be a little bit old but he is a good shooter, and an x-factor sometimes...I think he will be even better with the Raps...with Bosh he is a great big man, but not that great to do it all alone...but he is similar to Amare...dunno who is better tough...and Bosh is pretty sick in sims, especially with Live (A PF/Cs game) so his values are way higher
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Post by Utah Jazz on Jul 28, 2009 21:00:45 GMT -5
I think Cleveland did just because it completes their lineup. instead of having big ben they have one of the best pfs in the game.
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Post by New Orleans Hornets on Jul 28, 2009 21:28:17 GMT -5
if this was the real nba...hands down toronto...but sim league wise cavs won this hands down cause bosh and hedo completes there line up...while toronto gets the best player in the game but lebron can't dominate in a sim league like he does in the real nba.
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 28, 2009 21:36:45 GMT -5
4-3 Cleveland, How ya like me now Denver and Hou
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Jul 28, 2009 21:39:21 GMT -5
Real life.. the Toronto Raptors win this deal.. And it's 4-3.. It's close.
I say that its' the Raptors who win this deal in realism, some of you aren't seeing it though. Look at the cap he clears for next year too.
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Post by Houston Rockets on Jul 29, 2009 1:58:59 GMT -5
I don't think people understand the game still thinks Big Ben is a bad ass, but hey I like it...CLE took themselves out of it.
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Post by Portland Trailblazers on Jul 29, 2009 9:03:12 GMT -5
Wha u fail to realize is that Lebron James is the best player in the league....He will damn near average a triple double...watch!
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 29, 2009 10:26:07 GMT -5
7-4.
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Post by Atlanta Hawks on Jul 29, 2009 12:13:54 GMT -5
DET, your arguing with someone who can't tell the difference between real life games and sim games as far as LBJ is concerned, he thinks Lebron and Shaq rules the world, and no other entity can come stop them.
Big Ben SUCKS in sim league does not matter if he is a 95, he's getting worse on Defense and he is blackhole on Offense, a non factor, I feel sorry for any team that has his *** on the team.
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Post by Houston Rockets on Jul 29, 2009 16:36:21 GMT -5
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Post by Atlanta Hawks on Jul 30, 2009 9:29:04 GMT -5
same here I know your over LBj dick and all have no prob there, Kobe and Lebron that's another issue in itself that would take years to discuss and debate. but you picked what 6 games where Big Ben was good in, what's his overall stats, I am sure it's pretty bad, it's probably horrible. I HAD HIM on my team in the past, as DAL in D5, in NBA GM, and in other leagues, he is horrible he'll give you few good games but that's it he sucks. and BTW one fluke game does not mean your still the better team, heck Rudy Gay let Sasha score 27 on him, how does that happen.
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Post by Houston Rockets on Jul 30, 2009 17:10:40 GMT -5
The debate is over as far as I'm concerned, watch the fucking games. Lebron is better in EVERY way but shooting, and Kobe has at least the 2 best players (minus Lebron and Kobe on there team.) If you put Lebron the Lakers instead of Kobe, they would sweep the playoffs. I always am a firm believer that players will play in the situations you put them in, for example Big Ben needs to be on a team with a lot of scorers to make up for the fact he cant' score. Real life Dallas would be a PERFECT fit for Ben Wallace, and they wouldn't have to give up much to get him (if someone was to start a sim with Dallas.) Anywho here is his overall stats from Legends and Rim 2.... Legends (from last time OKC posted:) www.fileden.com/files/2007/7/17/1274043/pstat188.txtDidn't start 6 games, averaging 7/almost 9/almost 2 blocks/steal and a half. www.fileden.com/files/2009/4/11/2399273/pstat531.txt7/10/2 EVEN BETTER! This is the kind of stats you want from Big Ben, good rebounding and blocks. Who cares how much he scores? He's not a scorer, you need to think before you speak.
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Post by vietsensfan- FMR Wizards GM on Jul 30, 2009 17:18:48 GMT -5
Cleveland won this hands down from a sim league point of view.
1) LBJ sucks in the NBA Live sim engine, Bosh is a beast. 2) LBJ will probably bolt at the end of the season.
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Post by Houston Rockets on Jul 30, 2009 17:25:03 GMT -5
So would Bosh, that makes no sense.....You are a homer and you know it.
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Post by Atlanta Hawks on Jul 30, 2009 18:23:39 GMT -5
The debate is over as far as I'm concerned, watch the fucking games. Lebron is better in EVERY way but shooting, and Kobe has at least the 2 best players (minus Lebron and Kobe on there team.) If you put Lebron the Lakers instead of Kobe, they would sweep the playoffs. I always am a firm believer that players will play in the situations you put them in, for example Big Ben needs to be on a team with a lot of scorers to make up for the fact he cant' score. Real life Dallas would be a PERFECT fit for Ben Wallace, and they wouldn't have to give up much to get him (if someone was to start a sim with Dallas.) Anywho here is his overall stats from Legends and Rim 2.... Legends (from last time OKC posted:) www.fileden.com/files/2007/7/17/1274043/pstat188.txtDidn't start 6 games, averaging 7/almost 9/almost 2 blocks/steal and a half. www.fileden.com/files/2009/4/11/2399273/pstat531.txt7/10/2 EVEN BETTER! This is the kind of stats you want from Big Ben, good rebounding and blocks. Who cares how much he scores? He's not a scorer, you need to think before you speak. YOU SIR need to watch the fucking games, all PRINCE JAMES DID WAS SHOOT HIS TEAM OUT OF THE PLAYOFFS AND EVENTUALLY CHOKE IN ECF. If you put LBJ in Lakers, the Lakers lose in first round of playoffs, HELL the even lose to the Rockets or the Nuggets while Cavs win the finals. cause ALL HE DOES is DRIVE THE BASKET LIKE A MADMAN OR DRIVE AND THEN KICK OUT and that's it. He never works on his perimeter game OR he never posts up (which with his strength he should easily bully anyone.) BUT I AM NOT GONNA WASTE ANYMORE TIME WITH PRINCE JAMES, when LBJ wins ONE GAME not even a finals ONE GAME then come back to me until then he isn't even better then John Stockton or Charles Barkley or HELL DWIGHT HOWARD who won a game in the finals which PRINCE JAMES has not. the debate is already over anyone who watches Basketball know's Kobe is vastly superior then Lebron in every facet of the game except for driving at basket which LBJ is better then KB at and chasedown defense in fastbreak with LBJ's highlight shotblocking. SO WHAT'S YOUR EXCUSE GONNA BE WHEN LBJ loses with A BETTER supporting cast he has now then last year with Parker, Moon, and Shaq, and Danny Green. still gonna think he's the best player and has no help. LMFAO, LBJ all about stats just like what his T-Shirt said that's all he does. as for BIG BEN so what if he rebounds and block shots, you can't win with one or two dominant player in sim leagues, unless they are absolutely dominant like Duncan, Gasol, Kobe, T-Mac, Yao, Dwight Howard. you think with TOR he would win with only LBJ, Calderon and Mike Dunleavy scoring. he still needs Big Ben to ATLEAST put up a double double. and here's more proof on why Big Ben blows. www.fileden.com/files/2009/7/26/2522112/pstat026.txthe's just like Josh Smith, grabs rebounds and block shots. but on this TORONTO team that LACKS scorers you need Big Ben to step up. Mike Dunleavy is sucking right now and it's pretty much the Lebron James show with Calderon and DeRozan helping him out. this is CLE'S TEAM. www.fileden.com/files/2009/7/26/2522112/pstat004.txtIf it was not for Shaq, Terry, or Nash, Bosh would own the stats. he's already dominating rebounding and block shots and has similar stats to LBJ in steals. again, Ben Wallace sucks at scoring, and look at his stats in rebounds for a guy like him he should easily get 11 or 12 rebounds. only thing he is good for is steals and blocks per game. and in THIS specific situation IT'S A HORRIBLE FIT. if you put BIG BEN in my team then yeah your right, I got Bynum, Odom, Johnson, Maggette, Martin for scoring and if I need him for rebounds, steals, and blocks GREAT EXCELLENT FIT. BUT with TOR'S team as currently constructed you can't win with BIG BEN UNLESS he scores. it's pretty much LBJ and Calderon and that's it. and Big Ben does not rebound like you think he does he gets 8 or 9 rebounds for a CENTER, you need him to get 10 or 11. and you need more proof of how much LBJ AND BIG BEN SUCKS IN SIM LEAGUES. just look at TOR'S record. 0-3. which is soon gonna be 0-4 after I beat them Nov. 5th. and look at CLE 3-1. and look at Bosh and Hedo's stats, if it was not for Shaq, Terry, and Nash, Bosh and Hedo would dominate. IN FACT GO TO RIM, Bosh is KILLING MEM right now. and Hedo is KILLING the Thunders right now who is the top seed team in Rimrocker.
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Post by Los Angeles Lakers on Jul 30, 2009 18:56:55 GMT -5
Ewwww, doesn't Skip Bayless call LeBron, "Prince James"?
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Post by Houston Rockets on Jul 30, 2009 21:34:08 GMT -5
ANYONE watches the games can see Kobe isn't on the same level as Lebron, you can say whatever you want and listen to Skip Bayless but that's a fact.
As far as Big Ben, yeah he won't help TOR....my point is he would have helped CLE had he kept him.
I would rather have Nash/Terry/23/Big Ben/Shaq than Nash/Terry/Hedo/Bosh/Shaq, but Toronto got such a good deal for 23 he had to take it. I never said Big Ben was great, I said he was BETTER than in real life because the game doesn't know he blows. Oh and Cleveland won't get to the ECF, I put money on that.
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Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Aug 1, 2009 13:50:52 GMT -5
Big ben at PF LOL come on Houston. Ben Wallace at PF you got to be kidding me, how would he be helping my team when i got shaq?
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Post by Houston Rockets on Aug 1, 2009 14:54:46 GMT -5
That's 2 big bodies down low that don't take crap from anyone, how are you going to get Shaq and Bosh enough touches each?
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Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Aug 1, 2009 15:04:47 GMT -5
two bodies who cant make a FT if there life depended on it lol. How i build a team is you have either a PF or Center who can get Reb and do the dirty work then you get a guy who can score and get rebs and as well.
Big Ben = Reb Shaq = Reb
= no thank u
Shaq = Reb and some points Bosh = Points and some reb (in sim)
thats what i rather have. You have a different opinion how to run a team but this is my opinion how to run a team and in i got this method in Legends. Thats why Big AL and AK played on my team, and in d5 - JO and AK. They were basically unstoppable, reason why i won so many games.
Big Ben and Shaq would get me reb's but hardly any points.
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Post by Houston Rockets on Aug 1, 2009 16:05:40 GMT -5
Shaq can still put it up, and I respect your way of thinking (it's very similar to what I do, other than I phrase it differently, we disagree on Shaq I guess) but 23 > Bosh. I'm sorry I know you love him but we are talking about LEBRON JAMES, again maybe I'm miss guided and have a man crush but Lebron James is the man and you should get at least 2 85+ players for him.
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Post by Cleveland Cavaliers on Aug 1, 2009 16:17:56 GMT -5
yes its lebron james but this isnt the real nba lol, its simulation baseball and he does not put up triple doubles every game, he hardly scores 20 points a game let alone. I wish he put up the same numbers in real life on nba 07 but it doesn't happen for some odd reason. NBA 07 compare to NBA 06 is much much different and you saw that if you were in D5 and legends. D5 King James put up 30 a game, meanwhile Legends / NBA 07 hardly put up 15 a game. It's odd how that happens.
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