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Post by Denver Nuggets on Jul 25, 2009 17:01:30 GMT -5
Just thought I'd let everybody know that instead of doing a ratings change now before the season we are going to do something at the All Star Break that eliminates some of the discrepancies that are going on throughout the league.. This gives us time to also see the ratings that will be out for this year's NBA Live '10 game and also what guys in real life as some of the ratings will be based off of Real Life. We're looking at around the All Star Break to take a week, the staff, and determine who we think is done correctly or wrongly. That gives us a better look at what's going on with rookies too. We may see what is going on with them in real life. We figure the All Star Break should fall somewhere between November or December, so I think that's fair.
Just sayin' if there are any issues this is the warning that we will be adjusting certain players. Some of them are a little bit off and we will be adjusting them. Free Agents will also be touched as well, so that means teams like Cleveland and Houston will have their bench adjusted. Just saying that you should probably look at Real Life stats when you're doing deals as ratings don't mean everything.
If you want to bitch and moan like Houston is going to do, that is fine. It's not going to change anything. Please keep that in mind. We all want the best thing for the league and I believe this is the best decision that can go on. We don't know what's going to happen in real life with certain players until the season starts so why adjust them now. We need to see what's going to happen with them. Rookies we believe are a littile off as well, and I'm responsible for that so they will be adjusted at the ASB, as well.
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Post by Houston Rockets on Jul 25, 2009 17:12:25 GMT -5
I disagree with this, and I don't want this to cause a rift in the league but I really think everyone should get to vote. I'm the "second in command" so to speak and I didn't know, I mean this could really influence the season. Denver never told us this was going to happen, and he won't let me make a poll. It's so unrealistic that a team could be ahead in the standings, then have their players decline. Yes players decline and increase during a season, but it's a game and they are measured by ratings. I think we should know everyones rating at the start of every year and just go with that, these ratings are ANYWHERE near ridiculous other than a few (one being Kwame.)
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Post by Milwaukee Bucks on Jul 25, 2009 17:16:44 GMT -5
I totally agree with this. It makes sense and is realistic in my opinion. It isn't like the ratings change with each good and bad game Houston. If a player is consistenly progressing or maintaing a level of play higher than his rating, his new rating will reflect that, and same goes for playing consistently bad. The changes come but once a season, it'll be fine and change things up to relfect reality.
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Post by Houston Rockets on Jul 25, 2009 17:18:23 GMT -5
They aren't going to play for another 9 months, we already know what they are going to do...if we want to change the ratings so bad then why don't we just do it?
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Jul 25, 2009 17:20:07 GMT -5
See Bowen, the thing about that is we don't know who's going to play POORLY or GREATLY right now.. We're awaiting the real season in NBA and our GDS season..
Some of my players will be lowered too. Walter Herrmann isn't even in the NBA anymore so that affects him.. Therefore he will be lowered and he's a major part of my bench. Just saying this will affect all of us and I'm fine with that.
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 25, 2009 17:20:42 GMT -5
I gotta agree with HOU on this 1, Its really not fair for teams who have made trades for pol because of their rating and people who have signed FA's.
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Jul 25, 2009 17:23:18 GMT -5
Detroit, I don't think you understand that people know that their ratings would be adjusted when they made trades regardless.. Not everybody is going to be adjusted. You just want Okur rated higher now. It's realistic.
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Jul 25, 2009 17:25:23 GMT -5
I'm all for the realism aspect guys. If you have a player who you think will do poorly IRL, try and move him now. If there is a FA out there rated like 56 who you think is going to have a great season, go out and sign him.
Be real GM types. Don't just look at ratings and base your whole world on that. A Sim league is all about SIMulating reality. Theoretically, we should probably have rating changes like every month or two during the real-life regular season (those would be smaller changes), but that's a bit too hard to do. So, we do one during the All-Star Break, and one during the offseason probably.
Makes good sense to me.
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 25, 2009 17:27:01 GMT -5
I wouldn't of traded u prince for salmons and miller If I knew this, This needs to wait until the end of the season
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Post by sniper on Jul 25, 2009 17:28:37 GMT -5
Even though I agree with this, many people have based their team around player's ratings. Even if the player is declining real life.
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Post by Houston Rockets on Jul 25, 2009 17:28:41 GMT -5
I'm all for the realism aspect guys. If you have a player who you think will do poorly IRL, try and move him now. If there is a FA out there rated like 56 who you think is going to have a great season, go out and sign him. Be real GM types. Don't just look at ratings and base your whole world on that. A Sim league is all about SIMulating reality. Theoretically, we should probably have rating changes like every month or two during the real-life regular season (those would be smaller changes), but that's a bit too hard to do. So, we do one during the All-Star Break, and one during the offseason probably. Makes good sense to me. This has never been done before in ANY league I've ever been in, I think if we had been told before we made trades I would see the argument...but I had no idea and I have a convo that says only you and DEN know.
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Jul 25, 2009 17:29:09 GMT -5
I wouldn't of traded u prince for salmons and miller If I knew this, This needs to wait until the end of the season You do understand that Salmons won't be going down.. Miller won't be going down much either. He's valuable to that bulls team. And he also has a 12.5 million dollar expiring contract. Prince won't be going up either unless he has a great season.
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Post by Portland Trailblazers on Jul 25, 2009 17:31:39 GMT -5
good...i think Roy's rating are a lil low personally...even artest said he was the best player he has ever played against....and artest has a rating of 88..even josh smith has a better rating...and i firmly dont believe that he is better that Roy!
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 25, 2009 17:31:39 GMT -5
Still what bout HOU? And teams that have done what I done? All FA and traded players shouldn't be touched.
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Post by Denver Nuggets on Jul 25, 2009 17:33:19 GMT -5
Detroit, FA players won't be touched drastically.. I said to Houston that if a FA player is either retired or struggling they will go down a tops of 3-4 points.
This is realistic. As much as you hate it, it's going to stick.
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Post by Houston Rockets on Jul 25, 2009 17:34:24 GMT -5
good...i think Roy's rating are a lil low personally...even artest said he was the best player he has ever played against....and artest has a rating of 88..even josh smith has a better rating...and i firmly dont believe that he is better that Roy! You have to take what Ron Artest says with a grain of salt, plus Roy will probably like a 90 next year...83 is on the low side but it's not out of the ball park. He's def. an elite guard but I don't think it's worth getting your panties in a wad. If you look at most of the ratings, other than Wade, D12, Amare, LBJ, Kobe, and KG everyone is between an 89-83.
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Jul 25, 2009 17:35:29 GMT -5
I see no problem with this, I mean we're all in this league because of our love of the game so people need to stop basing their opinion of a player on their rating alone and start paying attention to how their playing irl.
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Jul 25, 2009 17:36:06 GMT -5
This has never been done before in ANY league I've ever been in, I think if we had been told before we made trades I would see the argument...but I had no idea. This was done in Legends at least once. And that was probably the best league around when it was running.
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Post by Houston Rockets on Jul 25, 2009 17:36:20 GMT -5
I just want to state again I don't think it's a HORRIBLE idea, but you didn't tell anyone about it. My whole strategy was to go for it all this year with my favorite players who will never get another chance at it, then have fun rebuilding next year.
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 25, 2009 17:36:29 GMT -5
It's funny how this plays out, only people who likes this r the ones who's team gets better.
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 25, 2009 17:37:40 GMT -5
Please tell me when this was done in Legends.
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Jul 25, 2009 17:38:07 GMT -5
Bown, your team isn't going to get that much worse. Yao is going to stay the same, hell I personally wouldn't mind him up a point or two. TMac won't move much. We'll put his durability down, but make sure his rating stays the same/close to the same (I say no lower than 85 personally) by raising other stats if needed. A couple of your bench guys could go down slighty, but not that bad.
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Post by Houston Rockets on Jul 25, 2009 17:40:04 GMT -5
I understand you won't lower my stars, I've had DEN promise not to touch T-mac or Yao...but that's not the point. I mean I signed Francis thinking he was a 74, if I had known real life factored into this I wouldn't have fought harder for Bobby Jackson.
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Post by Houston Rockets on Jul 25, 2009 17:40:43 GMT -5
Honestly all ratings are debatable, only rating I really really think is absurd is Dyess a 81...he's nothing more than a role player at this point.
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Post by Minnesota Timberwolves on Jul 25, 2009 17:41:51 GMT -5
It's funny how this plays out, only people who likes this r the ones who's team gets better. That's not true, I like it and I have one of the worst teams in the league that could most likely get worse because of this.
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Post by Memphis Grizzlies on Jul 25, 2009 17:45:45 GMT -5
I also agree that when the ratings do change it should be at the end of the season. A lot of owners made trades based on the ratings players have at this point in time. My personal opinion on ratings is that most owners place too much stock in them. I've had players rated 80 that play like shit and I've had players rated 68 avg 15ppg. But I think in this case that the rating change should wait until the end of the season to be fair to all owners.
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Post by Oklahoma City Thunder on Jul 25, 2009 17:47:48 GMT -5
Please tell me when this was done in Legends. Must've been the 07/08 season over there. I was on staff at that point, and I remember us putting together a list.
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 25, 2009 17:49:41 GMT -5
This is what is messed up about this, So what happens if Gordon puts up 10 a game? Ur gonna lower him HALF WAY through the season? What happens if Griffin puts up 25 and 10? Is he gonna be an 85? This is flawed, It really should wait till the end of the year.
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Post by Detroit Pistons on Jul 25, 2009 17:52:45 GMT -5
OKC what team were you, cuz Im also on the staff and we always discuss ratings halfway through but nvr changed ratings
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Post by Houston Rockets on Jul 25, 2009 17:53:28 GMT -5
He was the Clippers, DET.
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